3.30.2008

Jack:  Good morning Jim.  Good morning Phyllis.

Phyllis:  Good morning Jack.

Jim:  Good morning Jack and we bid you welcome once again in the love and light of Mother/Father God.

Jack:  Thank you I am very pleased to be with you this morning and find it interesting that the honored gentleman who preceded me stole my thunder a little this morning.

Phyllis:  That’s ok.

Jack:  I did want to take a moment today to discuss some of the most positive steps I have seen in the educational system that are taking place right in the great state of Arizona and I will do so. However I would begin this morning if it meets with your approval to answer any questions that the two of you may have and then we will proceed accordingly.

Jim:  The one thing that Diane gave me the impression was that there was some reservation when you spoke a little over a week ago possibly because of the ones that were here in the room with us and that there would be ultimately a second chapter so to speak.

Jack:  And there is, my friends.

Jim:  And we can discuss that down the line whenever you’re ready.

Jack:  Well I will begin just briefly by saying first of all I again commend this young woman who so honors me by allowing me to speak through her for hearing me as I told her that there was more.  I did somewhat withhold some details in our last meeting.  From my current perch if you will, I can sense many things that I wish I could have done when I was in public office.  I’ve become much more adept at, as the old saying goes, reading the room, and there were those present last time we met who are looking for reasons to play into the fear and the drama of what it taking place and what is to come and I can not stress enough how truly necessary it is for those who wish to make a change in this world as we move into its next chapter can not allow themselves to play into the fear and the drama.  The media hypes so many things, whether the Reverend Jeremiah Wright spoke to a give audience on the evils of this country or whether the Catholic priests of our upbringing spoke of the evils of any religion other than our own back in the time when we were growing up.  These are hardly issues that speak to the ability of Mr. Obama to govern.  Yes indeed, the words that were spoken by this pastor, this leader of people, were apparent; they fly in the face of everything that this nation stands for, but given the knowledge of that thought process has helped to motivate Mr. Obama to address one of the greatest divisive of issues that has faced this nation and that is the issue of race. Were it not for theses circumstances that eloquent address by Mr. Obama would not have been made at this time.  The American people would be better served to focus upon the message of unity that Mr. Obama so deeply feels moved by and he feels moved by this message in direct response to the negative perception of the racial divide held within the African American community in this nation.  Why do we as the people insist on focusing on the naughty words rather than the positive reaction and the positive dialogue that has taken place as a result of them?  We are a nation today that is driven by fear and my friends I can not stress strongly enough the need to move past the fear that we are being fed for what is coming may likely be very, very, unpleasant and were I to have spoken at length about those unpleasantries in this setting, there would have been three or four individuals who have great potential to go out and speak positively about the process to have converted them to a place of fear that would have disempowered them from speaking out.  So I chose my words carefully. After all, it is what we politicians do and I hope you understand that many times as we go forward in this difficult climate my words will be tempered for that very reason.  I will always be pleased to speak to you directly off the record if you will but I must insist that those things that are put forth be tempered somewhat and I trust our friendship will allow you to understand the spirit of this for if we at any point in time undermined the positive nature of these messages in a way that sets greater fear in motion the entire good work can be undermined and I hope you understand.
 
Jim:  Yes there is no doubt in my mind some people love to find out fear and love to feed people fear.
 
Jack:  This is why I use the analogy, Jim, of the most recent chaos surrounding Barack Obama.  It isn’t that much of a different issue. The venue may be different, the topic may be different but you see what the American people have chosen to see rather than seeing what can be drawn from it.  So I take my role today to be one who must walk a very delicate line and maintain a balance between that which needs to be understood and needs to be spoken of and that which by, its very nature, has enough triggers to cause great fear. That being said, it is more important to inspire the United States of America to pay attention and to hold leadership accountable than it is to seed the fear and move them into apathy and fear and panic, which freezes the average individual in place. 

Jim:  In hearing the Reverend’s speech or parts of what we were allowed to hear he made a statement that Hillary Clinton would never be able to know what it’s like to experience what African Americans experience.  That’s logical he could have used, Phyllis’ name, he could have used my name, he could have used millions of peoples names because we were not raised in that same era, given the same circumstances, but again that was his perception of what is and they’re distorting that.

Jack:  Of course because there is much more to gain by distorting that than there is by taking it in context.  This young woman, Diane, has struggled somewhat as she heard the initial sound bites that were released, for on many levels absent the God Dam American and the KKK references there was much truth spoken by Reverend Wright.  He was absolutely on target my friends when he spoke of the events of September 11th as being the actions of this nation coming home to roost.  Would that be a popular statement for anyone to make today?  Of course not! 

Jim: No.

Jack:  But stop and think about those instances that were addressed.  Were we not equally rooted in our own form of terrorism with our actions in bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and our involvement in the conflict in Vietnam or in any of our intrusive actions, across the world’s stage in the last 45 years? While the words may not be pretty to hear and may not be popular words my friends, they’re rooted in truth.

Jim:  Yes there are white ministers that I have seen on television, one in Houston in particular, I won’t bring up his name, but he scares me.

Jack:  And who my friend is that individual backing today?
 
Jim:  Well I would probably say he is backing John McCain.

Jack:  Absolutely.  Absolutely.

Jim:  We can distort, yes, the KKK. They are home grown terrorists; I don’t care how you cut it.  Whether they’ve got the Koran in their hand or whether they’ve got the Holy Bible in their hand or the Hindu holy book, a terrorist is a terrorist.  

Jack:  And to me those who are rooted in the Ku Klux Klan who stand there with a bible in their hands are greater blasphemers than any Muslim extremist could ever be compared too.  For to take the works of Jesus and use those as a call to violence against a living human being, against a nation, against a belief is no less evil than it is to take the teachings of the great Profit Mohamed and use those as a call to the violence that we see today.

Jim:  Yes that’s true.

Jack:  And those words Jim I would like included in the website.

Jim:  That’s fine.  I have no problem with that because it has been a thorn in my side because after 9/11 even some of my family members were really upset but I looked at them and said so what difference are they than the Ku Klux Klan.

Jack:  Absolutely.

Jim:  Only difference is the Ku Klux Klan has the bible in their hand but I said they are terrorist plain and simple.

Jack:  Indeed.  And I find today that behavior to be so much more alarming than at any time in our history for we stand on the dynamite that can blow this world to hell and each time that kind of rhetoric is allowed to move forward we again flick the match at the fuse.

Jim: Yes I think part of what we had seen on television of Reverend Wright’s footage, irrespective of the date, it was spoken months and months ago but I think part of what the American people who misjudge this thing were looking at the man and his deliverance of those words and it’s not only with African Americans, it’s with this Preacher that I am thinking of in Houston.  He gets up there flailing his arms and just basically mesmerizing this audience to the point where I know full well that if he passed out guns as they walked out of church they would start a war in his name.  This is what so many people, I think if we could have only heard what Reverend Wright said and not saw it, the comparison is also the debate between you and Richard Nixon. On radio he won, on television you won because of the way you delivered yourself and this is the same thing.  He delivered his speech, Martin Luther King Jr. although he wasn’t as flamboyant as this one is he could still get the same reaction and yet the words we missed what was he saying.  Yes she could not experience that absolutely and again that’s his perceptive of what is.  I could not relate to what he is going through, I can’t relate to what Diane goes through because its her journey.
 
Jack:  And it is so true Jim that for every citizen of this world each journey if not moving toward the commonality of all moves to tear the planet apart.  We have taken our society and in the name of political correctives we have lost the ability to celebrate the differences in cultures other than our own.  We have lost the ability to respect anything that is different.  Keep it simple, keep it in a straight line and nothing will go wrong.  Is this the way for this world to move forward?  I think not.
Jim: I don’t think this country would have ever been where it’s at if that would have been their attitude.
 
Jack:  It would not, but yet Jim, for the last 20 years that has been more and more the goal of those who would like to see this nation destroyed as a sovereign nation.

Jim:  Yes.

Jack:  And you’ve seen over this last 20 years how much progress they have made in doing just that.
 
Jim:  Yes and Phyllis and I were discussing that a few days ago, I can’t even remember who we were talking about, that the differences in the way people perceive them and not being judgmental just ok that’s their difference but celebrate that difference.  I’m trying to remember what it was.

Phyllis:  I can’t remember what it was but your perceptions Jack I think are well taken.  As I was sitting here thinking about the power of words and the fact that fear has become such an issue and that it doesn’t take much for the power of words to ignite a holy war and we certainly have had many of those in this history of the planet.

Jack:  I find little difference between the Reverend Jeremiah Wright or Reverend Haggy who is supporting, Mr. McCain.  I see very little difference in the fervor they try to instill in their congregations to the fervor that Adolf Hitler instilled in the nation of Germany. 

Phyllis:  That’s true and if whoever the speaker is, who has the words, if there are enough people that they can ignite that fire they’re going to go off and like Jim said you get some of those preachers especially who are very powerful with their words and get a congregation or any group of people so fired up that they truly believe that they are fighting for a good and holy cause but in my mind they have totally lost their perception, they’ve lost their ability to think they’ve just gotten caught up in the fervor of whoever it is that they are listening to.  I think that’s the danger. 

Jack:  Absolutely and this is not unlike that which is being done in the Islamic community today.  When you take any group of people and through fear stir them to a point where they lose their own ability to reason with that which is in their own hearts, the seeds of destruction begin.  This has happened throughout history and has been spoken by those far more eloquent than myself.  If you do not learn from history you are destined to repeat it and we see that being played out around the globe today, in China, in Korea, in the Middle East, and now in our own country.

Phyllis:  And I think the truth of the matter is that can be said even of Barack Obama.  That to get all fired up over the words that are coming out of his mouth without going back home and like you said searching within yourself for the truth of what you’ve heard and how it connects with you.  Again you’re not doing yourself a service.  You can jump on any band wagon.

Jack:  Blind loyalty is no less blind because it is loyal.

Phyllis:  Right.

Jim:  It’s like I was taught a long time ago that if you really want to understand what the person is saying turn your back on him when he is talking for then you won’t get caught up in his theatrics, in his deliverance so to speak when you listen to his words.  What comes to mind is that time we went down to that meeting in Phoenix when people were brought over for a assimilation from Central America.  This woman was paraded on the stage. She had a mask over her face, a bandana because they said the CIA was in the audience and they were going to arrest her and after this whole fiasco, who’s milling amongst us without her bandana eating cookies and drinking tea or coke or whatever but the same lady.  I am thinking this is totally illogical that you are doing this for they didn’t keep her face covered then.
 
Jack:  Of course not.
 
Jim:  I was like ok did all of a sudden the CIA leave?  I think not.

Jack:  I think not.

Jim:  Right, they were there drinking tea and eating cookies and just milling around.  But when the speakers were delivering whatever they were delivering I was looking at the floor and it made a difference in my thinking and I all of a sudden when we has this tea and drinks then it clicked on me what you spoke was one thing you’re not delivering here. 
 
Jack:  There has been in your media in the last couple of days some challenges directed at Mr. Obama that I find of interest.  With the release of his tax returns he has been challenged that according to his tax returns for his level of income he has only given one or two percent to charity.  Yet he speaks of the need for all of America to give.  What those in the media do not know and what those even in the Obama campaign are not fully aware of is what has been given by the Obama family in material gifts, time and energy that they have chosen not to include in their tax returns so that they would not be questioned in his political life.  Again to look at any picture from one side only is not always to learn the truth.

Jim:  No it was some months ago when Diana, Princess of Wales, followed you and she brought up at that time you and I had a dialogue about charity volunteering and she talked about Denzel Washington and I think it was Kevin Costner and how much they have done but they are not waving their flags. They just do it behind the scenes and this is the same thing that I see here.  Again people become judgmental whether he gave one percent or whether he gave twenty percent doesn’t matter. He gave if that’s what he felt like he could do and that’s as far as I take it.
 
Jack:  Yet the media my friends have chosen a different perception.

Jim:  Oh yes.

Phyllis:  But how can they say, you’re not required to state on any income tax how much you give to charity. People do it so they can get deductions. 

Jack:  Absolutely. 

Phyllis:  He’s not required and how do they know what he’s given to charity unless he’s told them. 

Jim:  Right.  Unless you get a receipt for the Girl Scout cookies they can’t prove if you bought them or not.

Phyllis:  And a lot of people just give and don’t report it don’t tell anybody so the media is jumping to conclusions by assuming that because he didn’t report any more than that that’s all the more he gave.
 
Jack:  Absolutely.

Jim:  It’s interesting the book that Diane brought me and what I read about leading up to the Vietnam War and your confrontation with powers to be in Washington at the time.  Do you find what was there accurate?

Jack:  Within 97% accuracy, they understated what went on just a bit.

Jim:  It’s understated?

Jack:  Indeed.

Jim:  Ok. 

Jack:  Both Bobby and I were threatened on many levels.  My personal indiscretions,  were used to blackmail me on many different issues.  I would venture to say that were I to have stood my ground, the world would have been a different place but yet many chose the path of silencing me and my brother because I was forced into a position where I could not expose what was going on without risk to my family and the risks to many other people.  My personal weaknesses caused great harm in my ability to stand up and for that I will atone always to the American people, for had I been a morally stronger individual I would have been much more able to tell them all to go to hell and stand my ground.

Jim:  I understand what you are saying but also those involved, it’s like you know the person likes chocolate even though they know it’s not good for them but you give them chocolate anyway.

Jack:  And believe me, my friend, they were force feeding me chocolate at every opportunity.
 
Jim:  Ok and this part of their game.  Find the weakness, find that one thing and play it to its hilt. 

Jack:  And if the truth be known, and I am thinking before I make this statement for the parties involved are now deceased, and I am thinking to make sure that what I am about to say can not jeopardize anyone.  If the truth were known Peter Lawford was a willing pawn in much that took place for he was controlled through generous contributions to his lifestyle by many who were active in the council for foreign relations.  They fed him with money and ideas and seeded him with all that was necessary to put temptation in front of myself and my brother knowing that I was weak and then used that to impede my progress and that of my brother in our defense of this nation.  That goes on today on many, many, many levels of government just as it does in the board rooms of corporate America.

Jim:  It’s true if you can’t trust family who can you trust and that’s where they got to you was family.  If a total stranger walked up to you, you would have blown them away but when family is involved it looks different.  And that’s ok. There is no judgment everything is as it needed to be at the time.

Jack:  My friend I hear your words that there is no judgment yet today as I often bask in the energy of my beautiful wife Jacqueline, my son John, my parents, my brothers, my sisters I judge myself much more harshly than history could ever have judged me.

Jim:  Yes but you don’t stand alone on that either, we all do that.  We all look back in retrospect and judge ourselves very harshly but as you know when you pass over there is no judgment on that side.
 
Jack:  Yet I’m not and I think that is one of the reasons that I have remained where I am in my process of growth is my inability to completely forgive myself and I am working on it and this work has helped me greatly but as I was charged when we last met by those of a much higher level of energy of my own to rise up and do important things in the world that is to come.  I thank you my friends for in allowing me to speak of this. You have helped me to move forward.

Jim:  That has been to me a great thing.  If each one of us could help each other whether they are on the spirit side or here to move forward then humanity’s spirit, as a whole, is going to move forward and that’s what to me is important. 

Jack:  My apologies Jim and Phyllis.

Phyllis:  That’s ok.

Jim:  It looks like there was an energy shift.

Jack:  Indeed there, was excuse me a moment while I…………….

Jim:  That’s alright, absorb that energy.  I just think you just totally forgave yourself.

Jack:  I am somewhat taken back by the power of this energy that I have stepped into.  I empathize with this young woman who is sharing this transformation with me as it takes place for it must be challenging to her physical body as it is to me.

Jim:  Yes she’ll wonder what hit her.

Jack:  But it is quite a joyful feeling.

Jim:  That’s good, that’s wonderful.

Jack:  Thank you my friends, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Jim:  You’re welcome.
 
Jack:  This is an incredible sensation.

Jim:  Enjoy.

Jack:  And were it not for your friendship my friends so much of this would not have taken place and I am so humbled.  Thank you.
 
Jim:  Well it has been our pleasure it is our continuing pleasure to do this. 

Jack:  Now you started to ask me a very good question and I totally lost your words. 

Jim:  That’s alright you stepped through that veil.

Jack:  Yes indeed Choindra did mention that I wanted to speak somewhat on the topic of global warming and the changes that are taking place.  I wish to speak briefly to commend the work that is being done at Arizona State University in its college of sustainability.  This is taking place in other institutions of higher learning around the planet but there is some of the best work being done at this time right in the state of Arizona for the laboratory of the great southwest is a wonderful place to learn. For once, the words that have been spoken by many of the great minds in these last few years are being heard.  We are allowing the young people of this great planet to begin to implement their ideas and their ideals in making the changes that will carry this nation into the next generation and far beyond.  Much as I’d challenged this nation to the moon these highly intelligent men and woman who have come into this lifetime with a path to make a change are moving forward to do just that. They are allowing that knowledge that they have brought with them to step forward to teach the world a better way to protect the resources of this planet and find alternatives to this destruction that has taken place.  I urge everyone to pay close attention to the work that is being done in these schools of sustainability throughout the nation and the world.  Follow their progress, follow their innovations and hold leadership responsible for implementing these ideas.  Don’t let them die in the college laboratory.

Jim:  Yes, when Phyllis and I went shopping today all the fish I looked at was raised in China, raised in China! I am thinking we have a canal that stretches a thousand miles, I’m not sure how long it is, how many millions of pounds of fish that could be raised there for all the water is, is a medium for them to swim in.
 
Jack:  Mercury free.  Jim my advice to you my friend you have access to a computer, contact the school, contact the college their sustainablilty program. Feed your ideas to them freely.  As ideas come through from some of the great minds that I know speak to this group of people feed those ideas into this environment of learning.  Some may be ignored but you never know.

Jim:  No that’s true.

Jack:  You don’t.  At the time of my brother Bobby’s passing my brother Teddy, in reference to Bobby, spoke some great words something to the effect of, some men see things as they are and say why, other men see things as they could be and say why not.

Jim:  Yes that’s true.

Jack:  Jim you embody those thoughts in everything you do as do you Phyllis when you teach children as does this young woman in her tireless volunteering of herself to this process to keep the door open for these great minds. And I use great minds relating to others not necessarily myself but for those who are willing to come into this process and sit in this chair and do what it is that they do to allow this to take place.  There’s so much positive energy emanating from this circle.  Don’t hesitate for a moment to say why not.  My friend Jim you sent a frame, with my words and a picture, to my daughter Caroline.

Jim: Yes.

Jack:  And I know you would have been pleased to have gained a response of some sort, an acknowledgement as truly you would have deserved but yet the difference between you my friend Jim and so many others is whether you got the response or not didn’t hold you back from doing the good thing. 

Jim:  No that’s true.

Jack:  And it did make an impact to my daughter although she does not have any frame of reference to step outside of that which is expected of her to acknowledge it but don’t hesitate to dream big dreams, to seed others with your dreams, to share in the experience of learning of the dreams of others for all that will come to pass, all that might come to pass.  Know my friends that this is still a world of great hope.

Jim: There’s no doubt.  I won’t give up. I can’t give up because there are too many things still too do.  We were given a wonderful gift from Kohl’s which we didn’t expect but all of a sudden we have to rent this facility that would almost equal this house just to store these things.

Jack:  Yet a year ago my friend Jim you were ready to throw up your hands and you were heart broken.

Jim:  Right.

Jack:  And we talked then that maybe it was time to look a different direction.  You didn’t understand then what that meant but you didn’t give up, you didn’t stop.

Jim:  Right, that’s true.

Jack:  And I will say to you that the efforts that this young woman, Diane, has spoken of in reaching out to Oprah Winfrey are being helped if you will by my beautiful wife Jacqueline.

Jim:  Good, wonderful.

Jack:  We will see what will come to pass but know that there is an effort being made.

Jim: Yes.

Jack:  And with that my friends I know I have some getting used to where I am and I know that this young woman’s body probably needs a bit of a rest.  I thank you for your discernment,  in knowing what words will be appropriate for your website.

Jim:  Yes.

Jack:  I thank you for your belief in the process, for your kindness to me and for all that you have taught me and all that you have shared with me.  And I hope that I can move even more forcefully now to effect change and I will endeavor to do all that I can. 

Jim:  Yes there’s no doubt in my mind you accepted yourself and said its ok and you passed through that veil.

Jack:  It’s made a huge difference. 

Jim:  Good.

Jack:  I don’t quite understand it yet but maybe by the next time we speak I can talk to you more about it.

Jim:  Alright that would be fine and wherever you go we know the blessings of Mother/Father God journey with you.

Jack:  And with you my dear, dear friends.

Jim:  Thank you.